tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1729636300291249876.post7323859596675651087..comments2023-05-09T10:03:04.009+01:00Comments on Obscene Beauty: Fierce God At War: Part II - Christus VictorAlastairhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05209977342876131154noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1729636300291249876.post-2485687636361485452009-04-22T19:09:00.000+01:002009-04-22T19:09:00.000+01:00Do we have to only subscribe to one particular the...Do we have to only subscribe to one particular theory of atonement? I see the differing options as all pieces of a mosaic, adding to our understanding. While Christus Victor has some positives, which you've pointed out, there's a downside or difficulty I have.<br />It paints Jesus as a bit of a square-jawed, clean-shaven super-hero, who cries out reassuringly "Don't worry, sir, ma'am, I'll save you!", before swooping in to rescue helpless humanity. Humans have no real function in this other than to be passively rescued.<br />On the other hand, it does emphasise grace over works..... Hmmm. I shall go away and think some more. :)Nikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03500372331937107264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1729636300291249876.post-40273436542091950502008-11-20T11:58:00.000+00:002008-11-20T11:58:00.000+00:00"divine passive" - normally I thank people for the..."divine passive" - normally I thank people for their comments but I trust you're understand if I don't in this case. I'm completly shocked at your arrogance and bad attitude. You seem to be clueless yourself with regard to blog etiquette and general manners. I wouldn't burst into your home hurling insults, and I'd appreciate the same respect from you as well.<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry my laymen's introductory article on Christus Victor wasn't up to your high expectations. Funny that after reading over 20 books/articles on the subject, rather than sharing with the rest of us what you have discovered, you come in here all puffed up with knowledge and can only hand out insults. If you know so much, how come you haven't suggested corrections to wikipedia's article or even post something positive here? Or perhaps even mail some of your books to me, as currently I cannot afford to buy every theological tome I come across.<BR/><BR/>Yes, you are right, this particular post was written in a hurry and with no original research. I'm the first to admit it. How I wish I had more time! But this blog is for those wanting to dip their toes into theological issues, clearly not for adept masters such as yourself.Alastairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05209977342876131154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1729636300291249876.post-81248921794429325212008-11-18T22:30:00.000+00:002008-11-18T22:30:00.000+00:00You should prolly read the book if you're going to...You should prolly read the book if you're going to comment on it for all to see like this. In fact, you should prolly read lots of books before you comment on theological matters in general. If you think Wikipedia references are the same as mastering ideas, I'm glad you're not my accountant.<BR/><BR/>I stumbled across this accidentally as I was doing research on this topic, and having read about six monographs and fifteen journal articles on Christus Victor, I can say with a credible degree of certainty:<BR/><BR/>you're clueless. Please go to school or read something that wasn't put out by somebody with cool hair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1729636300291249876.post-90753411349801232632007-07-20T14:37:00.000+01:002007-07-20T14:37:00.000+01:00You are misunderstanding the word 'reconcile' by f...You are misunderstanding the word 'reconcile' by forcing it to fit your conclusions. Way back when God stamped his foot in disgust repenting of having ever made mankind in the first place was not a mild retort. If it were not for the fact that the Way for God to create a man in the the express image of God's desire, a man that is one with God, the new type or species of man did not exist, there would never have been an ark. It is only because of God's oath stated to Noah in Gen. 9:5b this one phrase "and from each man too I will demand an accounting for the life of you fellow man" that mankind has even had a future. To redact the phrase "reconciling the world unto himself" to sentimentality is being further than being foolish, for it is insane. The word 'reconcile' is a judicial quantifier. The same as "when he comes he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin". All these heretical models of atonement you love so much, if you already haven't done so, you all need to go ahead and fashion images of them for you cannot be any worse off by doing that. The crucifixion of Jesus, in all of your models, have the absolute absence of two edginess. For it is not the one who has the power to destroy your body that is of concern. It is the One who has the power, and since the crucifixion of Jesus has occurred, to destroy both your body and your soul which he fully intends to do relative to the crucifixion of his only begotten son being the sin of murder caused by bloodshed. You can by faith obey the law and repent of this one sin for the forgiveness of all sins or you can be stupid and by being so your God damned asses are going in the fire forever in regard to this one sin. Yeah the world has been reconciled to God alright and you along with it, but there is a small narrow Way of escape if you have the faith to use it. <BR/>Theodore A. JonesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1729636300291249876.post-61345719395828574832007-05-28T15:44:00.000+01:002007-05-28T15:44:00.000+01:00The reference you are looking for for breaking dow...The reference you are looking for for breaking down hostilities and ethnic division is Ephesians 2:14-17, although technically this refers directly only to the divisions between Jews and Gentiles.Peter Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13395635409427347613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1729636300291249876.post-57243158831491634062007-05-21T20:42:00.000+01:002007-05-21T20:42:00.000+01:00Thanks Paul. I agree!Thanks Paul. I agree!Alastairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05209977342876131154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1729636300291249876.post-75544296741653539542007-05-21T13:05:00.000+01:002007-05-21T13:05:00.000+01:00thanks alastair, good points well made. A broader ...thanks alastair, good points well made. <BR/><BR/>A broader understanding of the different versions of the atonement can help us enrich our faith.<BR/><BR/>I think no doubt that we all have a version that is easier to understand, even penal substitution is not quite the 'feminist' cosmic child abuse scandal set into the story of God and is desire to be above all things because he has also been at the bottom of all things too - highest and the lowest parts.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15933987855938734565noreply@blogger.com